Tom Temin: Ron, good to have you back.

Ron Ross: Good morning. It’s great to be with you Tom.

Tom Temin: And calling you a fellow is like saying Ernest Hemingway had a typewriter. But let’s get into the first of those publications. 853 is a venerable one. And yet it’s been totally refreshed. Give us the highlights of what’s new in there and how that process all went.

Ron Ross: Well, as you said, it took quite a long time for us to bring this publication to its final state, which we did in September. And it’s really a remarkable update since revision four. And I like to remind everybody that revision four was downloaded over 20 million times from the time it was published in 2013. So it’s a very widely used publication, both in the federal space and in the private sector. But we had some great updates in the 2020 version, that one of the most important things we did is integrated privacy into the catalog of controls. We took all of the previous privacy controls that were in an appendix, and we integrated them throughout…